So I have a 4th gen (92-96) Prelude and it has the smallest backseat of all Preludes. Well, I love the car but I'm starting to think I need more space. I'm thinking about a 5th gen Accord. Not sure if I want a sedan or coupe because I like them both in that year model but I do want a 5 spd 4 cyl. Correct me if I'm wrong but the F23s come in those right? Can someone post all the trim levels and what came with each one? Also post any common problems to look for with these cars. Thanks.
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So I have a 4th gen (92-96) Prelude and it has the smallest backseat of all Preludes. Well, I love the car but I'm starting to think I need more space. I'm thinking about a 5th gen Accord. Not sure if I want a sedan or coupe because I like them both in that year model but I do want a 5 spd 4 cyl. Correct me if I'm wrong but the F23s come in those right? Can someone post all the trim levels and what came with each one? Also post any common problems to look for with these cars. Thanks.
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5th gens all have F22's. The DX(sedan only)/LX have a non-VTEC 130HP motor, the EX's have a 145HP VTEC version. All 2.7L 170HP V6 (95+) are 4AT's. In the EX you basically add available leather, standard sunroof and ABS I think, plus dual exhaust tips, VTEC, alloys, keyless entry/alarm (maybe), random painted exterior trim pieces. I think the audio systems are pretty similar, no big differences. DX IIRC has no AC, no power windows/locks.
So sounds like I wanna find me a LX or EX... the motor isn't real important. I'd be swapping in an F20 or H22 anyway. I just figure insurance will be cheaper if I have a 4 cyl VIN.
What's different about the SE? Do any of them come with 4 wheel disc brakes?
What's different about the SE? Do any of them come with 4 wheel disc brakes?
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They just had some unique colors, alloys, badges, maybe some wood trim...not too sure about the brakes. Non-VTEC motor, don't think they ever made them in MT either (if they have I've never seen one). Dunno if you're right about the 4 cyl VIN, should check with insurance. On one hand they are hotter cars since they are more common, on the other hand V6 parts are harder to find because all the front end sheetmetal is unique, the hood and fenders are 1 inch taller. Doesn't really matter anyway, if you are swapping and you want an MT, you'd better start with an MT unless you're a fan of big headaches. If you're okay with a H22 AT then you can start off with a V6 chassis if the insurance is cheaper.
Oh 4cyl 96 and up had OBD-II, 95's are OBD-I and easier to work with in terms of swaps, and mods. I think all V6's are OBD-II.
Oh 4cyl 96 and up had OBD-II, 95's are OBD-I and easier to work with in terms of swaps, and mods. I think all V6's are OBD-II.
That's my dillema. I like the chrome grill in the 96-97 and the tail lights but like you said, they are OBD2. I supoose I could upgrade all that on a 94 or 95? No auto for me... I have no faith in Honda's auto transmissions.
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If you are just planning to swap in an H22 and pretty much go with bolt-ons I think you will be okay with an OBD-II model. The computer should swap fine and the tranny will be okay since manual = no TCU. If you are planning to drop in an H22, then put in a stronger bottom end, built up the top end, put in individual throttle bodies, raise the redline to 9000RPM, then boost it...well that might be tough with OBD-II (or just tough in general)
If I boost, I'll just build the internals of the SOHC that comes in it... But since I'm more of an N/A guy, it'd be i/h/e, forged rods and 11.5:1 comp pistons, at least stage 1 JUN cams, larger injectors, fuel regulator, and some kind of piggy back plus tranny and suspension upgrades. So I'd need the OBD1.
Let me add that it'd be the close-decked H22A from the 91-95 JDM Preludes. But hey, I may stay true to Accord motors and put an H23A or the F20B like I mentioned. I think I'd have the most a/m support for the H22 though.
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Also, don't forget that if you get a '96 or '97 Honda, there is an extended warranty on emissions up to 14 years or 150k miles. That may be a perk for ya...?
I don't have emissions here :banana:
Which engine codes will have the 130 and which will have 145 hp? I'm not as familiar with the F22's as an H22 so for example the H22A1 has 190 hp as opposed to the H22A with 205.
Which engine codes will have the 130 and which will have 145 hp? I'm not as familiar with the F22's as an H22 so for example the H22A1 has 190 hp as opposed to the H22A with 205.
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The EX has front and rear disc brakes, always has, I believe. The Special Edition has generally been an LX with a moonroof, wood trim, cassette and single CD player, and probably a few other goodies to make it feel like a more affordable EX.
The 3rd gen-6th gen Special Editions have only been available as automatics. I actually know a girl with a 3rd gen SE.
The 3rd gen-6th gen Special Editions have only been available as automatics. I actually know a girl with a 3rd gen SE.
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Not true! I always thought this as well, BUT I saw with my own two eyes and have done a double take EVERYDAY that I've walked past it: a 2000 Accord SE with a 5-speed. It is SE specific in every way...color, wheels, badging, trim...if it was just upgraded then somebody did a very very good jobAmanda Moen said:
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Alrighty, as a 5th gen Owner, its my time to 'chime in'.
If your looking for backseat space... this car doesn't have it.THere's essentially no way you can fir someone in without moving the front seat up halif way from the furthest back postition, but if everyone (including you) is under 6ft tall, you can fir 5 passengers snugly, 4 comfortably.
The 94-95's have better interior build quality, however the dash plastics are different, not color wise, but they're softer on the later models. Beware of broken ODO's on these cars (Especially EX's built in Japan) its very common.
The tail lights are not interchageable between the 94-95 and 96-97
The emissions warranty (Of which I've had to use more than once sadly) is not about your inspection emissions, it's about your check Enigne light coming on (in 96-94 4 cyl and 95-97 V6's). However, if you're swapping engines this won't be of much use to you. Plus, just finding one that's till under warranty (under 150k) will be a challenege.
CV Boots go about every 60k, not sure why, but they do. 1997 models have recalls on certain parts of te suspension system, however the recall has been closed I beleive. So if it breaks... well it's your delima. These cars have notorious Door Lock issues, and the rear windows go out faster than the front. (If used the same amount of time) Some silicon spray will fix the issue temporarily until they go out, but make sure you get it only in the window channel. The only last issues I can think of would be that 94-95's have power antennaes and they will pretty much all be broken by now. The later models have it intergrated into the rear window.
Did I scare you away yet? I just wanted to list all the common faiures Ive seen/experienced. Also as far as upgrading the engine, is it just me or do these cars have HORRIBLE weight distribution?
If you need picutres of anything on the 96-97 I can provide
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P.S. to add to benji's post, there were no standard keyless entry/alarms unless you bought an EX wagon. Mine has the optional security system though.
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If your looking for backseat space... this car doesn't have it.THere's essentially no way you can fir someone in without moving the front seat up halif way from the furthest back postition, but if everyone (including you) is under 6ft tall, you can fir 5 passengers snugly, 4 comfortably.
The 94-95's have better interior build quality, however the dash plastics are different, not color wise, but they're softer on the later models. Beware of broken ODO's on these cars (Especially EX's built in Japan) its very common.
The tail lights are not interchageable between the 94-95 and 96-97
The emissions warranty (Of which I've had to use more than once sadly) is not about your inspection emissions, it's about your check Enigne light coming on (in 96-94 4 cyl and 95-97 V6's). However, if you're swapping engines this won't be of much use to you. Plus, just finding one that's till under warranty (under 150k) will be a challenege.
CV Boots go about every 60k, not sure why, but they do. 1997 models have recalls on certain parts of te suspension system, however the recall has been closed I beleive. So if it breaks... well it's your delima. These cars have notorious Door Lock issues, and the rear windows go out faster than the front. (If used the same amount of time) Some silicon spray will fix the issue temporarily until they go out, but make sure you get it only in the window channel. The only last issues I can think of would be that 94-95's have power antennaes and they will pretty much all be broken by now. The later models have it intergrated into the rear window.
Did I scare you away yet? I just wanted to list all the common faiures Ive seen/experienced. Also as far as upgrading the engine, is it just me or do these cars have HORRIBLE weight distribution?
If you need picutres of anything on the 96-97 I can provide
.P.S. to add to benji's post, there were no standard keyless entry/alarms unless you bought an EX wagon. Mine has the optional security system though.
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Not a tranny swap ben?BenjiBoy650 said:
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Should have bought a BMW...Accordlover said:
Not sure why you would do all the work to swap a tranny and leave the rest of the car all stock...
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The 94-95's have better interior build quality, however the dash plastics are different, not color wise, but they're softer on the later models>>>
The interiors of the 94-95s are identical to the 96-97s with the only exceptions being the addition of map lights in 96 and a 2-way power driver's seat in 96-97 EX models with cloth. There are no differences in build quality or material quality.
The interiors of the 94-95s are identical to the 96-97s with the only exceptions being the addition of map lights in 96 and a 2-way power driver's seat in 96-97 EX models with cloth. There are no differences in build quality or material quality.
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To me the dash I felt on a 1994 EX was much harder than my 1996's dash.
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To me the dash I felt on a 1994 EX was much harder than my 1996's dash>>>
Could've just been the way the plastics aged or were cared for... :dunno:
As far as repairs and maintenance, I bought my 96 Accord (I4 EX w/ AT) with 45,000 miles and sold last October with 167,000 miles and here is a list of everything that the car needed to stay in tip top condition:
-Two batteries.
-Two sets of tires (although I had a third set installed for the new owner)
-One set of accesory belts and two timing belts @ 90k and 160k miles.
-One set of radiator hoses.
-One set of brake pads (rotors are still original)
-One exhaust B-pipe (though still has original muffler and A pipe)
-One O2 sensor. Replaced for free under extended emissions warranty.
-One oil pan gasket, one valve cover gasket and oil seal retainer kit intstalled.
-One complete tune-up @ 90,xxx miles. (Also free per the warranty)
-One passenger front wheel bearing.
-One set of CV axles.
-Two headlight bulbs and one 3rd brake light bulb. Never had to replace tail
light bulbs.
- One rear speaker.
- One radiator, thermostat and two water pumps (w/ timing belt service).
- Mobil1 synthetic oil every 3-5k miles, Honda ATF every 30k and
coolant every 50k miles.
- One fuel filter @ 150k miles
- Brake and PS pump fluid replaced once @ 100k miles.
- One starter (replaced by the current owner @ 170k+ miles)
I also had the car repainted, converted the interior to leather, replaced all of the interior carpeting with new and did a lot of other upgrades.
That's pretty much it. The car now has 200k miles and is running beautifully for the current owner (It's his first car)
Regarding the SE trim, up until the 5th gen, the SEs were top shelf models. The 93 SE had standard leather, Bose sound system, driver and passenger side air bags (sedans only) 4-wheel disc brakes, ABS, etc. I believe the 3rd gen SEs could be had with steering wheel mounted audio controls, but don't hold me to it. Afterwards, the SE got 'demoted' to a lesser position between the LX and EX. In 1997, the SE added a sunroof, cruise control, distinctively styled rims, wood trim, factory alarm w/ keyless entry and a CD player to the LX's std. features. Not sure if rear spoilers were part of the package or not, although I don't recall ever seeing an SE without one. Brakes were drums in the back and they did not have ABS. The VTEC engine, 2-way power driver's seat, lighted vanity mirrors, 6-speakers and better interior fabric were still reserved for the EXs.
In the case of the CR-V, the SEs are still the top of the line (or at least up until the 2006 models)
Could've just been the way the plastics aged or were cared for... :dunno:
As far as repairs and maintenance, I bought my 96 Accord (I4 EX w/ AT) with 45,000 miles and sold last October with 167,000 miles and here is a list of everything that the car needed to stay in tip top condition:
-Two batteries.
-Two sets of tires (although I had a third set installed for the new owner)
-One set of accesory belts and two timing belts @ 90k and 160k miles.
-One set of radiator hoses.
-One set of brake pads (rotors are still original)
-One exhaust B-pipe (though still has original muffler and A pipe)
-One O2 sensor. Replaced for free under extended emissions warranty.
-One oil pan gasket, one valve cover gasket and oil seal retainer kit intstalled.
-One complete tune-up @ 90,xxx miles. (Also free per the warranty)
-One passenger front wheel bearing.
-One set of CV axles.
-Two headlight bulbs and one 3rd brake light bulb. Never had to replace tail
light bulbs.
- One rear speaker.
- One radiator, thermostat and two water pumps (w/ timing belt service).
- Mobil1 synthetic oil every 3-5k miles, Honda ATF every 30k and
coolant every 50k miles.
- One fuel filter @ 150k miles
- Brake and PS pump fluid replaced once @ 100k miles.
- One starter (replaced by the current owner @ 170k+ miles)
I also had the car repainted, converted the interior to leather, replaced all of the interior carpeting with new and did a lot of other upgrades.
That's pretty much it. The car now has 200k miles and is running beautifully for the current owner (It's his first car)
Regarding the SE trim, up until the 5th gen, the SEs were top shelf models. The 93 SE had standard leather, Bose sound system, driver and passenger side air bags (sedans only) 4-wheel disc brakes, ABS, etc. I believe the 3rd gen SEs could be had with steering wheel mounted audio controls, but don't hold me to it. Afterwards, the SE got 'demoted' to a lesser position between the LX and EX. In 1997, the SE added a sunroof, cruise control, distinctively styled rims, wood trim, factory alarm w/ keyless entry and a CD player to the LX's std. features. Not sure if rear spoilers were part of the package or not, although I don't recall ever seeing an SE without one. Brakes were drums in the back and they did not have ABS. The VTEC engine, 2-way power driver's seat, lighted vanity mirrors, 6-speakers and better interior fabric were still reserved for the EXs.
In the case of the CR-V, the SEs are still the top of the line (or at least up until the 2006 models)
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I have my maitennace reccords as well.
Enjoy...
All Oil Changes up until 55k, with a minor tune up at 40k and ATF at 30k.
2 Batteries
2 Sets of Tires.
Failed Master Cylinder - 63k
60k service - 65k
Rotors Resurfaced, replaced Pads, brake hardware molykoted. Outer CV Boot replaced on right drive axle. - 80k
Right Front Passenger Wheel Bearing -80k
Failed Map Sensor - Warranty - 88k
ATF Fluid Drain/Refill - 90k
Left Outer CV Boot - 90k
Left and Right Front Brake Hoses (Right Failed.) - 92k
90k Service 92k
Leaking Axle Seal 98k
Driver Door Lock Actuator - 98.5k
Failed Starter - 102k
And currently 2 O-Ring Seals leaking. Dang compared to your car ItsaHonda I feel as if I got a lemon.
That's seriously all you replaced???
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All Oil Changes up until 55k, with a minor tune up at 40k and ATF at 30k.
2 Batteries
2 Sets of Tires.
Failed Master Cylinder - 63k
60k service - 65k
Rotors Resurfaced, replaced Pads, brake hardware molykoted. Outer CV Boot replaced on right drive axle. - 80k
Right Front Passenger Wheel Bearing -80k
Failed Map Sensor - Warranty - 88k
ATF Fluid Drain/Refill - 90k
Left Outer CV Boot - 90k
Left and Right Front Brake Hoses (Right Failed.) - 92k
90k Service 92k
Leaking Axle Seal 98k
Driver Door Lock Actuator - 98.5k
Failed Starter - 102k
And currently 2 O-Ring Seals leaking. Dang compared to your car ItsaHonda I feel as if I got a lemon
.That's seriously all you replaced???
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That's seriously all you replaced???
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I did forget about the CV axles (which I'll add to the list) otherwise, that's everything. I replaced both axles after I noticed a tear in the driver's side boot at around 120,000 miles. The master cylinder is still the original and I never had a map sensor, brake hose or axle seal go bad... those are also all still original on the 96 AFAIK. The current owner did have to replace the original starter at a little over 170k miles, but that is the only 'problem' he has had with the car. The passenger front wheel bearing went bad at around 160k miles. I also never had any issues with the ABS, speedometer, odometer, etc. which were common problem areas on 5th gens. The AC is also still original in that car and I never had to have it serviced.
My rear door locks never did work, I bought the car like that and just never fixed them because I hardly ever used the rear doors.
Overall, it was a FANTASTIC little car and certainly won me over to Hondas. It NEVER broke down, failed to start or had any major issues whatsoever.
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This picture was taken the evening before we left for New Orleans to deliver the car to it's new owner (very good friends of the family) It made the 700 mile trip like a brand new car. :thmsup:
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I did forget about the CV axles (which I'll add to the list) otherwise, that's everything. I replaced both axles after I noticed a tear in the driver's side boot at around 120,000 miles. The master cylinder is still the original and I never had a map sensor, brake hose or axle seal go bad... those are also all still original on the 96 AFAIK. The current owner did have to replace the original starter at a little over 170k miles, but that is the only 'problem' he has had with the car. The passenger front wheel bearing went bad at around 160k miles. I also never had any issues with the ABS, speedometer, odometer, etc. which were common problem areas on 5th gens. The AC is also still original in that car and I never had to have it serviced.
My rear door locks never did work, I bought the car like that and just never fixed them because I hardly ever used the rear doors.
Overall, it was a FANTASTIC little car and certainly won me over to Hondas. It NEVER broke down, failed to start or had any major issues whatsoever.
This picture was taken the evening before we left for New Orleans to deliver the car to it's new owner (very good friends of the family) It made the 700 mile trip like a brand new car. :thmsup:
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