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At nearly 38k miles, my '23 Accord Hybrid Touring tires (Michelin Primacy MXM4) are down to about 6/32" tread depth. I am getting increasingly uncomfortable driving with them. The only characteristic I like is that they are longer lasting and deliver good to great fuel economy (as EPA rated) on this hybrid.

My gripes with the OEM MXM4s:
1) Wet traction has never been good, but now that they are half way worn down, it is even worse and leaving me feeling uncomfortable on very wet roads.
2) Comfort and noise levels, also never a strong suit, have naturally also deteriorated with age and wearing down. The large rims plus low profile tires generate a harsher ride than I was expecting in a "family" type sedan which most of the time I drive conservatively (to take advantage of the hybrid fuel economy).
3) I'm not impressed with dry handling or traction either. Given that I drive most of the time to get the best fuel economy possible on each tankful (except long highway trips when my high speeds take a toll on fuel economy), it is rare that I push these GTAS tires close to their limits.

My Accord does has not seen any snow (yet), but it can be subjected to colder temps (40 F, sometimes lower) in western New York during the tail ends of the mid May to around Oct 30 time spent in WNY. The rest of the year (Oct 30-mid May), the Accord spends its time in subtropical south Florida (where the dry season runs from about mid Nov to May 1). Even in the dry season there is rain, sometimes quite heavy rain with lots of ponding of water on roadways.

Most of the miles I accrue are on highways and country roads, many coarse/rough surfaced, some smoother, some boringly straight but enough are windy, curvy and hilly. I drive it back and forth between SoFL and WNY twice each year (one time in each direction). In FL, the roads are generally much less pitted than up north, but there are still bumps and noisy surfaces to deal with there.

If I haven't made you doze off already, I know a touring all-season (but not all-weather) tire is what I am looking for, one with low rolling resistance (LRR) so that I can try to minimize the hit to my usually excellent fuel economy. I'd like a comfortable and confident tire in a variety of driving conditions--a compromise which leads to not excelling in any specific criteria but doing well enough in all criteria so as to be appropriate for a touring/grand touring tire.

After scouring TireRack, Consumer Reports (CR) and other online sources, I've identified the following tires for further consideration:

Continental TrueContact 54 (LRR promoted)
Kumho Majesty 9 Solus TA91 EV (LRR promoted)
Michelin Primacy Tour A/S (LRR promoted)
General Altimax RT45 (not LRR promoted)


Note that according to CR's lab testing, they scored the non-LRR General Altimax RT45 as 4 out of 5 for LRR, the same rating score as the LRR Conti TrueContact 54s and the LRR Michelin Primacy Tour A/S tires. It seems that marketing for LRR isn't a guarantee of anything, although maybe those tires would have been worse off for fuel economy/LRR without the eco focus. The Kumho tires were not tested by CR, and are EV tuned which may not be desirable for an HEV with less torque.

Do any of you have experience with any of these tires on your 19" wheels and on a hybrid? I'd welcome your thoughts. For those who have replaced the OEMs with different tires (touring or grand touring category tires, please), what has been your experience? Have you noticed more than a 5% decrease in fuel economy due to your replacement tire choice? Does the (improved) comfort and/or handling make a big difference? How have your new tires fared in wear/longevity? I don't usually pay much attention to reports on tires driven for less than 20k miles, and anything under 10k miles is still new in my opinion. But I'd welcome your impressions of your tires, even under 20k miles driven.

A more expensive option would be to buy new 17" alloy aftermarket wheels and 225/50-17 tires. Has anyone done this on their Accord Hybrid Touring? Or are there any Hybrid EX-L owners (which come standard with 17" wheels--steel or alloy?) who have driven their Accords with both 17" alloys and 19" wheels? Is there a noted increase in ride comfort and/or your fuel economy with the smaller and lighter 17s? Is there a noted decrease in handling with the 17s?

Thanks for reading my long post. I hope you will provide some relevant personal tire experiences. Beyond the tires, I have grown to appreciate my Accord Hybrid Touring, despite Honda's refusal to put in front passenger seating which is height adjustable (a big gripe), not putting enough cushioning in the front seat cushions, the disappearance of a Sirius XM app supported by Honda and Android Auto on the 2023, and the lack of a spare tire option (which would decrease fuel economy) that will fit in the wheel well, according to my parts department.
 
At nearly 38k miles, my '23 Accord Hybrid Touring tires (Michelin Primacy MXM4) are down to about 6/32" tread depth. I am getting increasingly uncomfortable driving with them. The only characteristic I like is that they are longer lasting and deliver good to great fuel economy (as EPA rated) on this hybrid.

My gripes with the OEM MXM4s:
1) Wet traction has never been good, but now that they are half way worn down, it is even worse and leaving me feeling uncomfortable on very wet roads.
2) Comfort and noise levels, also never a strong suit, have naturally also deteriorated with age and wearing down. The large rims plus low profile tires generate a harsher ride than I was expecting in a "family" type sedan which most of the time I drive conservatively (to take advantage of the hybrid fuel economy).
3) I'm not impressed with dry handling or traction either. Given that I drive most of the time to get the best fuel economy possible on each tankful (except long highway trips when my high speeds take a toll on fuel economy), it is rare that I push these GTAS tires close to their limits.

My Accord does has not seen any snow (yet), but it can be subjected to colder temps (40 F, sometimes lower) in western New York during the tail ends of the mid May to around Oct 30 time spent in WNY. The rest of the year (Oct 30-mid May), the Accord spends its time in subtropical south Florida (where the dry season runs from about mid Nov to May 1). Even in the dry season there is rain, sometimes quite heavy rain with lots of ponding of water on roadways.

Most of the miles I accrue are on highways and country roads, many coarse/rough surfaced, some smoother, some boringly straight but enough are windy, curvy and hilly. I drive it back and forth between SoFL and WNY twice each year (one time in each direction). In FL, the roads are generally much less pitted than up north, but there are still bumps and noisy surfaces to deal with there.

If I haven't made you doze off already, I know a touring all-season (but not all-weather) tire is what I am looking for, one with low rolling resistance (LRR) so that I can try to minimize the hit to my usually excellent fuel economy. I'd like a comfortable and confident tire in a variety of driving conditions--a compromise which leads to not excelling in any specific criteria but doing well enough in all criteria so as to be appropriate for a touring/grand touring tire.

After scouring TireRack, Consumer Reports (CR) and other online sources, I've identified the following tires for further consideration:

Continental TrueContact 54 (LRR promoted)
Kumho Majesty 9 Solus TA91 EV (LRR promoted)
Michelin Primacy Tour A/S (LRR promoted)
General Altimax RT45 (not LRR promoted)


Note that according to CR's lab testing, they scored the non-LRR General Altimax RT45 as 4 out of 5 for LRR, the same rating score as the LRR Conti TrueContact 54s and the LRR Michelin Primacy Tour A/S tires. It seems that marketing for LRR isn't a guarantee of anything, although maybe those tires would have been worse off for fuel economy/LRR without the eco focus. The Kumho tires were not tested by CR, and are EV tuned which may not be desirable for an HEV with less torque.

Do any of you have experience with any of these tires on your 19" wheels and on a hybrid? I'd welcome your thoughts. For those who have replaced the OEMs with different tires (touring or grand touring category tires, please), what has been your experience? Have you noticed more than a 5% decrease in fuel economy due to your replacement tire choice? Does the (improved) comfort and/or handling make a big difference? How have your new tires fared in wear/longevity? I don't usually pay much attention to reports on tires driven for less than 20k miles, and anything under 10k miles is still new in my opinion. But I'd welcome your impressions of your tires, even under 20k miles driven.

A more expensive option would be to buy new 17" alloy aftermarket wheels and 225/50-17 tires. Has anyone done this on their Accord Hybrid Touring? Or are there any Hybrid EX-L owners (which come standard with 17" wheels--steel or alloy?) who have driven their Accords with both 17" alloys and 19" wheels? Is there a noted increase in ride comfort and/or your fuel economy with the smaller and lighter 17s? Is there a noted decrease in handling with the 17s?

Thanks for reading my long post. I hope you will provide some relevant personal tire experiences. Beyond the tires, I have grown to appreciate my Accord Hybrid Touring, despite Honda's refusal to put in front passenger seating which is height adjustable (a big gripe), not putting enough cushioning in the front seat cushions, the disappearance of a Sirius XM app supported by Honda and Android Auto on the 2023, and the lack of a spare tire option (which would decrease fuel economy) that will fit in the wheel well, according to my parts department.
If you want better ride and mileage, buy some 17" or 18" aftermarket rims and get rid of the boat anchor 19" OEM rims. You can shave off 10-15 pounds per corner by going aftermarket. I was looking at some Enkei ONX rims which are about 10 pounds lighter per wheel and don't look stupid (in my opinion, anyway).

On the tires, asking on a forum is tough because the only comparison most people will be able to make is brand new tires versus the old ones they removed. Tires tend to get louder and less performant with age, so take everything you read with a grain of salt.

This tire rack test might be of interest:

Based on that test, I might look at e.Primacy all seasons, but they are $300 each and you've expressed dissatisfaction with Michelin.

The LRR tires tend to do worse than the non-LRR in braking distance, but I suspect that the gap closes as the tires age.
 
, and the lack of a spare tire option (which would decrease fuel economy) that will fit in the wheel well, according to my parts department.
Others can comment on replacement tires, but if you're still under the impression that what the parts department said is accurate, check out this thread or any of the many similar ones. The space for the spare to sit is exactly the same as in the non-hybrid accord, and you can put the same OEM spare there if you want. Or there are a ton of non-OEM options to explore that may be cheaper/easier.
 
At nearly 38k miles, my '23 Accord Hybrid Touring tires (Michelin Primacy MXM4) are down to about 6/32" tread depth. I am getting increasingly uncomfortable driving with them. The only characteristic I like is that they are longer lasting and deliver good to great fuel economy (as EPA rated) on this hybrid.

My gripes with the OEM MXM4s:
1) Wet traction has never been good, but now that they are half way worn down, it is even worse and leaving me feeling uncomfortable on very wet roads.
2) Comfort and noise levels, also never a strong suit, have naturally also deteriorated with age and wearing down. The large rims plus low profile tires generate a harsher ride than I was expecting in a "family" type sedan which most of the time I drive conservatively (to take advantage of the hybrid fuel economy).
3) I'm not impressed with dry handling or traction either. Given that I drive most of the time to get the best fuel economy possible on each tankful (except long highway trips when my high speeds take a toll on fuel economy), it is rare that I push these GTAS tires close to their limits.

My Accord does has not seen any snow (yet), but it can be subjected to colder temps (40 F, sometimes lower) in western New York during the tail ends of the mid May to around Oct 30 time spent in WNY. The rest of the year (Oct 30-mid May), the Accord spends its time in subtropical south Florida (where the dry season runs from about mid Nov to May 1). Even in the dry season there is rain, sometimes quite heavy rain with lots of ponding of water on roadways.

Most of the miles I accrue are on highways and country roads, many coarse/rough surfaced, some smoother, some boringly straight but enough are windy, curvy and hilly. I drive it back and forth between SoFL and WNY twice each year (one time in each direction). In FL, the roads are generally much less pitted than up north, but there are still bumps and noisy surfaces to deal with there.

If I haven't made you doze off already, I know a touring all-season (but not all-weather) tire is what I am looking for, one with low rolling resistance (LRR) so that I can try to minimize the hit to my usually excellent fuel economy. I'd like a comfortable and confident tire in a variety of driving conditions--a compromise which leads to not excelling in any specific criteria but doing well enough in all criteria so as to be appropriate for a touring/grand touring tire.

After scouring TireRack, Consumer Reports (CR) and other online sources, I've identified the following tires for further consideration:

Continental TrueContact 54 (LRR promoted)
Kumho Majesty 9 Solus TA91 EV (LRR promoted)
Michelin Primacy Tour A/S (LRR promoted)
General Altimax RT45 (not LRR promoted)


Note that according to CR's lab testing, they scored the non-LRR General Altimax RT45 as 4 out of 5 for LRR, the same rating score as the LRR Conti TrueContact 54s and the LRR Michelin Primacy Tour A/S tires. It seems that marketing for LRR isn't a guarantee of anything, although maybe those tires would have been worse off for fuel economy/LRR without the eco focus. The Kumho tires were not tested by CR, and are EV tuned which may not be desirable for an HEV with less torque.

Do any of you have experience with any of these tires on your 19" wheels and on a hybrid? I'd welcome your thoughts. For those who have replaced the OEMs with different tires (touring or grand touring category tires, please), what has been your experience? Have you noticed more than a 5% decrease in fuel economy due to your replacement tire choice? Does the (improved) comfort and/or handling make a big difference? How have your new tires fared in wear/longevity? I don't usually pay much attention to reports on tires driven for less than 20k miles, and anything under 10k miles is still new in my opinion. But I'd welcome your impressions of your tires, even under 20k miles driven.

A more expensive option would be to buy new 17" alloy aftermarket wheels and 225/50-17 tires. Has anyone done this on their Accord Hybrid Touring? Or are there any Hybrid EX-L owners (which come standard with 17" wheels--steel or alloy?) who have driven their Accords with both 17" alloys and 19" wheels? Is there a noted increase in ride comfort and/or your fuel economy with the smaller and lighter 17s? Is there a noted decrease in handling with the 17s?

Thanks for reading my long post. I hope you will provide some relevant personal tire experiences. Beyond the tires, I have grown to appreciate my Accord Hybrid Touring, despite Honda's refusal to put in front passenger seating which is height adjustable (a big gripe), not putting enough cushioning in the front seat cushions, the disappearance of a Sirius XM app supported by Honda and Android Auto on the 2023, and the lack of a spare tire option (which would decrease fuel economy) that will fit in the wheel well, according to my parts department.
I have a 2023 Touring and purchased all spare tire parts from my local Honda dealer.

There are multiple threads on spare tires on this forum.

Currently, I plan to purchase 18x9 forged wheels and performance tires when my original Michelins need replacement (30,000 miles; 90% highway at 70-80mph.)

The lack of spare is due to profits, not EPA ratings or safety regarding proximity to the hybrid battery.

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At nearly 38k miles, my '23 Accord Hybrid Touring tires (Michelin Primacy MXM4) are down to about 6/32" tread depth. I am getting increasingly uncomfortable driving with them. The only characteristic I like is that they are longer lasting and deliver good to great fuel economy (as EPA rated) on this hybrid.

My gripes with the OEM MXM4s:
1) Wet traction has never been good, but now that they are half way worn down, it is even worse and leaving me feeling uncomfortable on very wet roads.
2) Comfort and noise levels, also never a strong suit, have naturally also deteriorated with age and wearing down. The large rims plus low profile tires generate a harsher ride than I was expecting in a "family" type sedan which most of the time I drive conservatively (to take advantage of the hybrid fuel economy).
3) I'm not impressed with dry handling or traction either. Given that I drive most of the time to get the best fuel economy possible on each tankful (except long highway trips when my high speeds take a toll on fuel economy), it is rare that I push these GTAS tires close to their limits.

My Accord does has not seen any snow (yet), but it can be subjected to colder temps (40 F, sometimes lower) in western New York during the tail ends of the mid May to around Oct 30 time spent in WNY. The rest of the year (Oct 30-mid May), the Accord spends its time in subtropical south Florida (where the dry season runs from about mid Nov to May 1). Even in the dry season there is rain, sometimes quite heavy rain with lots of ponding of water on roadways.

Most of the miles I accrue are on highways and country roads, many coarse/rough surfaced, some smoother, some boringly straight but enough are windy, curvy and hilly. I drive it back and forth between SoFL and WNY twice each year (one time in each direction). In FL, the roads are generally much less pitted than up north, but there are still bumps and noisy surfaces to deal with there.

If I haven't made you doze off already, I know a touring all-season (but not all-weather) tire is what I am looking for, one with low rolling resistance (LRR) so that I can try to minimize the hit to my usually excellent fuel economy. I'd like a comfortable and confident tire in a variety of driving conditions--a compromise which leads to not excelling in any specific criteria but doing well enough in all criteria so as to be appropriate for a touring/grand touring tire.

After scouring TireRack, Consumer Reports (CR) and other online sources, I've identified the following tires for further consideration:

Continental TrueContact 54 (LRR promoted)
Kumho Majesty 9 Solus TA91 EV (LRR promoted)
Michelin Primacy Tour A/S (LRR promoted)
General Altimax RT45 (not LRR promoted)


Note that according to CR's lab testing, they scored the non-LRR General Altimax RT45 as 4 out of 5 for LRR, the same rating score as the LRR Conti TrueContact 54s and the LRR Michelin Primacy Tour A/S tires. It seems that marketing for LRR isn't a guarantee of anything, although maybe those tires would have been worse off for fuel economy/LRR without the eco focus. The Kumho tires were not tested by CR, and are EV tuned which may not be desirable for an HEV with less torque.

Do any of you have experience with any of these tires on your 19" wheels and on a hybrid? I'd welcome your thoughts. For those who have replaced the OEMs with different tires (touring or grand touring category tires, please), what has been your experience? Have you noticed more than a 5% decrease in fuel economy due to your replacement tire choice? Does the (improved) comfort and/or handling make a big difference? How have your new tires fared in wear/longevity? I don't usually pay much attention to reports on tires driven for less than 20k miles, and anything under 10k miles is still new in my opinion. But I'd welcome your impressions of your tires, even under 20k miles driven.

A more expensive option would be to buy new 17" alloy aftermarket wheels and 225/50-17 tires. Has anyone done this on their Accord Hybrid Touring? Or are there any Hybrid EX-L owners (which come standard with 17" wheels--steel or alloy?) who have driven their Accords with both 17" alloys and 19" wheels? Is there a noted increase in ride comfort and/or your fuel economy with the smaller and lighter 17s? Is there a noted decrease in handling with the 17s?

Thanks for reading my long post. I hope you will provide some relevant personal tire experiences. Beyond the tires, I have grown to appreciate my Accord Hybrid Touring, despite Honda's refusal to put in front passenger seating which is height adjustable (a big gripe), not putting enough cushioning in the front seat cushions, the disappearance of a Sirius XM app supported by Honda and Android Auto on the 2023, and the lack of a spare tire option (which would decrease fuel economy) that will fit in the wheel well, according to my parts department.
This was the reason I purchased the EX-L. 17” wheels, more comfortable ride, and better fuel economy. I do like the features on the touring & may purchase one at the end of the year when the refreshed model comes out. I’d definitely swap the wheels for the 17” ones though.
 
I live in upstate NY where the roads are rated one of the 10 worst in the country.
A lot of the roads are paved with asphalt over the original 65 year old concreate road surface. This combined with high truck traffic and freeze thaw weather cycles makes the road surface very poor with the loud bu-bump over every expansion joint and lots of NVH due to worn course asphault and it is very irritating in my 2021 Accord EXL with it stock 17" wheels and 225/50x17" Michelin Energy tires.

My previous car was a 2001 Acurs 3.2CL-Premium which had 205/60x16" tires on 6.5" wide wheels which allowed it to provide a luxury quiet ride and it still handled beautifully like a luxury-sporty vehicle should.

The 10th Gen LX and EXL non-hybrid Accords can fit 16" wheels.
But the Hybrids, Touring and Sport versions can only go down to 17" as they have larger brake rotors.
IMO, Honda oversized the wheels on these accords because the market demaded big pretty wheels.

I will be replacing the 17" wheels and tires on my 2021 Accord EXL with 205/65x16" tires and 16" wheels with 6.5 or 7" width.
 
My 2cents....I have a 2017 touring model and I'm not too trilled with the 19" dent prone rims. I'm looking for a 18" x 7.5" wide rim in chrome but haven't found one yet. I will be pairing this with a 225/50/18 tire as I want to keep the over height the same. I'm ok with giving up some of the grip for a better ride quality.
 
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Thank you all for you replies and comments, all of which I took under consideration. There were lots of things to consider.

In the end, I decided to ditch my 19" wheels. I purchased through TireRack Moda MD27 17x8 wheels (+48mm offset) <19lbs per wheel, saving me at least 10 lbs of un-sprung weight at each corner. I had TireRack mount them with Conti TrueContact Tour54 tires in size 235/50-17 at the recommendation of a TireRack sales rep. I was originally going to buy the Contis mentioned as 225/50-17 tires (which would have saved another 2lbs unsprung weight per corner), but I had concerns about the smaller diameter of those which would have thrown off my speedometer and odometer readings. TireRack's suggestion brings the overall diameter dimension to within 0.1" and I think 3-4 tire revolutions per mile of my outgoing MXM4's in size 235/40-19. I hope I made a good choice. I get the package installed plus a wheel alignment on Thursday.

Question #1: Is there any compelling reason not to sell off the no longer needed Honda 19" wheels with the MXM tires which still have usable, legal tread depth left (at least 5/32")? I'd rather not have them taking up valuable room in my garage, only to have to bring them out when the day comes that I decide to sell or trade-in the vehicle. These old, no longer used Honda 19" wheels/tires would be stuck in my WNY garage...but I tend to buy new vehicles while in SoFla making a sale/purchase transaction more complicated. Could I get dinged significantly for selling a car with aftermarket wheels in -2 sizing...more than what I might reap from their sale now? I believe I will keep this 2023 Accord Hybrid Touring between 5-7 years total since my in-service date of Mar 2023. In the past, I've always stored my OEM wheels for resale, but living in two places makes this complicated.

Question #2: How do I know what tire pressure I should use on the new smaller 17" wheels and their 235/50-17 tires? I generally follow the door jamb placard recommended cold inflation pressures of 35 front and 32 rear (which is for 235/40-19 tires). What should guide me now?

Thanks, again, to all of you who replied. I will post an comfort, handling and fuel economy update after I have spent some quality time with the new setup and the tires are well past 600-1,000 miles of wear.
 
Question #1: Is there any compelling reason not to sell off the no longer needed Honda 19" wheels with the MXM tires... ?

Question #2: How do I know what tire pressure I should use on the new smaller 17" wheels and their 235/50-17 tires?
#1. None. Sell 'em. Somebody will want them. I've done this via Craigslist...

#2. IIRC Honda's spec for the EX-L 17s is 33/32 front/rear. I'm running 235/50-17s (one size larger than OEM), and I like 35/34.

If your roads are as bad as you say, then you might run the tires softer.

FWIW, this site is really helpful for figuring out a baseline:
 
Thank you all for you replies and comments, all of which I took under consideration. There were lots of things to consider.

In the end, I decided to ditch my 19" wheels. I purchased through TireRack Moda MD27 17x8 wheels (+48mm offset) <19lbs per wheel, saving me at least 10 lbs of un-sprung weight at each corner. I had TireRack mount them with Conti TrueContact Tour54 tires in size 235/50-17 at the recommendation of a TireRack sales rep. I was originally going to buy the Contis mentioned as 225/50-17 tires (which would have saved another 2lbs unsprung weight per corner), but I had concerns about the smaller diameter of those which would have thrown off my speedometer and odometer readings. TireRack's suggestion brings the overall diameter dimension to within 0.1" and I think 3-4 tire revolutions per mile of my outgoing MXM4's in size 235/40-19. I hope I made a good choice. I get the package installed plus a wheel alignment on Thursday.

Question #1: Is there any compelling reason not to sell off the no longer needed Honda 19" wheels with the MXM tires
#1 - It could be a risk when trading car (not if you sell outright). Dealerships want cars to have OEM wheels or they deduct value. Especially if you have changed size, like you have. I know, cuz it's happened to me. So now I keep the OEM's and make deal with dealer to swap aftermarket wheels with the OEM's a no charge.
 
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#1 - It could be a risk when trading car (not if you sell outright). Dealerships want cars to have OEM wheels or they deduct value. Especially if you have changed size, like you have. I know, cuz it's happened to me. So now I keep the OEM's and make deal with dealer to swap aftermarket wheels with the OEM's a no charge.
Theoretically, how much of a ding could it be? Let's say I sell the set of wheels now with mounted tires for $750-$1000 total, could the ding be more than that on a car I'd trade in at 5-7 years old?
 
Theoretically, how much of a ding could it be? Let's say I sell the set of wheels now with mounted tires for $750-$1000 total, could the ding be more than that on a car I'd trade in at 5-7 years old?
Valid point. Can't offer anything more than what happened to me, plus I trade every 2-1/2 to 3 years. I would assume a 7 yr old car would probably not be an issue, but just my opinion. Plus you might find 750-1k might be hard to get.
 
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Thoughts on the Tour54's
Give me a few more weeks until tires are broken in and over 500 miles. The install didn't happen until 2 days ago. I only have about 50-60 miles on the new tires. Tomorrow I'll have the wheels re-torqued. I think the tire shop torqued them too much (more than 80 lb-ft) because I could not back most all of the lugs nuts off (by hand/muscle power) in order to do a proper re-torquing using my own torque wrench. Unless I have more strength in the morning and better success with loosening the lug nuts, I'll need to return to the installer to have them re-torqued.
 
Is there any compelling reason not to sell off the no longer needed Honda 19" wheels with the MXM tires which still have usable, legal tread depth left (at least 5/32")? I'd rather not have them taking up valuable room in my garage, only to have to bring them out when the day comes that I decide to sell or trade-in the vehicle. These old, no longer used Honda 19" wheels/tires would be stuck in my WNY garage..
No real reason to keep them - you can good money for the rims, and they fit everything from Civic to CR-V - I've seen a 21 CR-V with 21 Accord touring rims, and it looked great - obviously not with the stock accord tires, but sized appropriate for the CR-V...

The 19" touring rims have always looked nicer than the Sport wheel, in my opinion, and there will always be folks that would like to dress up an LX ;)

The mounted tires are basically useless with 5/32 - and if you kept them in the garage for 5-7 years, those tires age out and start to become very dangerous to keep on the road.

Could consider unmounting the tires and sell the rims only...
 
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