[Wpgdriver]

I have been driving my 2024 touring for around 3000 km now (Canada). I still encounter a lot of folks complaining that the world has ended because it doesn't have the 2.0T engine. Full disclosure, I have never owned the 2.0T. Looking for a new car, I was concerned about performance, but only as one consideration. I test drove quite a few other quick cars, including the Ioniq 6 AWD, which was quick enough to make my wife mad in the passenger seat (around 4 seconds to 60).

First, a reminder that this car does not use a conventional CVT. It is a direct drive electric motor. Honda provides 3 modes for driving, and there is a dramatic difference in feel between all 3 available driving modes. Econ feels very smooth and a wee bit sluggish. "Normal" feels just fine, peppy when you want, and kind of how you want it most of the time. But "sport" makes the car significantly more responsive, with noticeably heavier steering. The electric drive motor feels very torquey and responsive in city driving (like between 30 and say 80 km/hr). The engine doesn't shift down and race to give you the torque, it just pulls immediately, like an EV. It honestly feels really good and very quick in that band. It isn't as blindingly quick as an AWD EV, but the torquey electric drive feels very strong, quiet and honestly really fun.

When you just want to get from zero to highway speed as fast as possible is when you may miss the more powerful engine (just over 6 seconds), but for day-to-day city driving it's lots of fun. The fun is ruined a little bit for me by the fact that for some reason I now care what the fuel economy trip number is D), and driving it in sport mode knocks it down a bit.

All this just to say that I'm really enjoying driving the car... feels good. Performance is good with lots of quality of life additions. If your number one goal is performance, you probably shouldn't get the 2.0T either... tons of cars are quicker than that one now.

FWIW. Cue rage responses...

 

[TheOriginalTwoTone]

Need power so I can drag race from red light to red light, weave like an ass and get to the front.

 

[RCarlL]

Need power so I can drag race from red light to red light, weave like an ass and get to the front.

Not everyone that liked the 2.0t motor used that motor to rush from stoplight to stoplight or weave in and out of traffic like a jerk. The 2.0t motor was nice because it provided a lot more oomph in all situations. Unlike the base 1.5t motor, you didn't have to rev it high in order to merge onto the highway, for example. It also just sounded better than the 1.5t motor... and the 10-speed automatic that the 2.0t motor used was a lot nicer than the CVT used in the 1.5t motor. Sometimes the benefit of higher-output engines isn't in terms of how much performance is possible when you slam on the gas- but rather the benefit of not having to slam the pedal to the floor in situations when a bit more power is handy.

You didn't have to drive like a fool in order to enjoy the added performance of the higher-output engine. Not everyone that drives a Chevy Camaro SS or even an Acura TLX drives like a fool... some just appreciate the added HP and torque that the higher performance engine provides.

I rarely took advantage of the 0-60 time that was likely possible with my 2019 and 2021 Accords that had the 2.0t motor. Instead, I just enjoyed the fact that they were just really good all-around performers. Good power mixed with nice handling all in a package that could easily transport a small family and their stuff on a regular basis.

 

[Wpgdriver]

Not everyone that liked the 2.0t motor used to rush from stoplight to stoplight or weave in and out of traffic like a jerk. The 2.0t motor was nice because it provided a lot more oomph in all situations. Unlike the base 1.5t motor, you didn't have to rev it high in order to merge onto the highway, for example. It also just sounded better than the 1.5t motor... and the 10-speed automatic that the 2.0t motor used was a lot nicer than the CVT used in the 1.5t motor. Sometimes the benefit of higher-output engines isn't in terms of how much performance is possible when you slam on the gas- but rather the benefit of not having to slam the pedal to the floor in situations when a bit more power is handy.

You didn't have to drive like a fool in order to enjoy the added performance of the higher-output engine. Not everyone that drives a Chevy Camaro SS or even an Acura TLX drives like a fool... some just appreciate the added HP and torque that the higher performance engine provides.

I rarely took advantage of the 0-60 time that was likely possible with my 2019 and 2021 Accords that had the 2.0t motor. Instead, I just enjoyed the fact that they were just really good all-around performers. Good power mixed with nice handling all in a package that could easily transport a small family and their stuff on a regular basis.

Yup... that's basically what I'm saying the new HAH also does well. I'm basically pushing back at the rhetoric around the "tragic" retirement of the 2.0T.

 

[jedi apprentice]

I had a 2019 2.0T with 6spd. The engine and transmission was absolutely awesome- it would pull hard, shift smooth, and get great gas mileage (31 mpg 70% highway). As great as it was, the car was missing a LSD to really get down the power and transfer it will going through curves. Also, the long wheelbase of the vehicle made it feel sluggish going through turns. I do mostly highway and I found it to be a highway machine- even the lane keep assist and radar cruise control worked great with the manual.

I sold the car in 2022 with 78k and got a Sienna hybrid. Some reasons were it would be a car we would need it a few years for family reasons, others were that the 2.0/6spd combo was not the best match for the accord wheelbase (and the 10th gen seats were kind of crummy).

The 2019 was the reason that I came back to the 2024. I was cross shopping with an ES300H, Camry, and Tesla Y. The Camry was old feeling. The Tesla Y was annoying with the GUI. The accord was 7/8 of the ES300H at 60% of the price. The accord fit me better as well, offering more headroom and a larger trunk for my work needs.

I don't rocket around turns in the Accord. If I wanted to do that, I would get a Civic SI.

 

[FattiesGoneWild]

Keep saying it. Speed isn’t everything and doesn’t tell the whole story. Still pleased with our 23 Touring and traded in a 21 2.0t Touring for it. I know all about the 2.0t OP, since you never driven one. The difference is definitely there and feels a second behind. Which matches the results pretty much. People moving from the 1.5t to 23+ Hybrid. Its
Going to feel like a rocket to them.

 

[MartyV6]

I've said it many times....while my 2014 Accord V6 is faster BY THE NUMBERS (by like a second) I much prefer the smooth, punchy and linear direct electric drive in my 2023 EXL Hybrid. FEELS quicker to me and much more satisfying to drive. Instant power with no jerky shifting. Since I don't participate in full pedal to the floor 0-60 drag races for pink slips anyway, I don't give a crap whether my time is now 6.6 seconds instead of 5.9.....

 

[Honda2014]

The 11G HAH is just about as fast as 10G HAH. Nothing shocking there.

Let’s get the numbers right:
The fastest 0-60 of the HAH is 6.6s.

The fastest 0-60 of the 2.0t with 10AT is 5.3s.

As far as many cars faster than the 2.0t, sure, but at what cost? Find me another brand new turbocharged sedan, with similar performance and reliability, that stickers for $38k and sells for under $33k now. Where is it? No. I don’t want an EV either. At least not now. It’s not always about just the speed either. Part of our gripe isn’t even directly against the HAH (in fact, I think most of us like it), but it was the lack of choices from Honda that was frustrating.

Yes, I’ve driven all the Hondas mentioned in the thread so far. 9-11G HAH, 9G AV6 (and I4 of course), 1.5t, of course the 2.0t, and many, many other Hondas as well. I like them all, but there’s no denying which one I like driving the most.

If you like your HAH and think it’s the best thing since sliced bread, great. Buy (keep) it. I test drove it and liked it. It’s on my list too when it’s time to replace my current car. But I can tell you, there are at least two other cars that I’m also interested in and will consider ahead of HAH. One is equipped with a 2.0t, the other 3.0t. The current gen HAH is great car. No doubt. But that doesn’t mean everyone has to have the same level of interest in it. Or if we don’t, we are somehow “jealous” or “haters” lol. C’mon. Are we 10 years old? Don’t be childish. Variety is the spice of life. We’re all entitled to our own opinions man. To each their own.

 

[jal142]

I have been driving my 2024 touring for around 3000 km now (Canada). I still encounter a lot of folks complaining that the world has ended because it doesn't have the 2.0T engine.

I think the 2.0T faithful are a very loud minority. I get their frustration, I've owned some "fast" cars (Mustang Cobra, Subaru WRX STi) and they are undeniably fun. However, the fact is, the 2.0T didn't sell well enough for Honda to keep it. If it had, it would still be available. Much like a manual transmission. The car magazine writers and forum warriors love the hot rod versions of every car, but then they don't actually buy them in sufficient number to entice the manufacturer to keep producing them.

First, a reminder that this car does not use a conventional CVT. It is a direct drive electric motor. Honda provides 3 modes for driving, and there is a dramatic difference in feel between all 3 available driving modes. Econ feels very smooth and a wee bit sluggish. "Normal" feels just fine, peppy when you want, and kind of how you want it most of the time. But "sport" makes the car significantly more responsive, with noticeably heavier steering. The electric drive motor feels very torquey and responsive in city driving (like between 30 and say 80 km/hr). The engine doesn't shift down and race to give you the torque, it just pulls immediately, like an EV. It honestly feels really good and very quick in that band. It isn't as blindingly quick as an AWD EV, but the torquey electric drive feels very strong, quiet and honestly really fun.

You wrote this paragraph as if the 1.5T does not exist.

When you just want to get from zero to highway speed as fast as possible is when you may miss the more powerful engine (just over 6 seconds), but for day-to-day city driving it's lots of fun. The fun is ruined a little bit for me by the fact that for some reason I now care what the fuel economy trip number is D), and driving it in sport mode knocks it down a bit.

I remember when sports cars got to 60 in the mid sixes and a 14 second quarter mile was rare. Now people complain when a family sedan can't outrun a Camaro SS. Fun times.

When I had "fun" cars, I'd try to hit 100+ mph on a few stretches of road along my commute (when possible, without others around, for the safety concious). Now, I find myself trying to get above 50mpg during my commute. Times have changed...

All this just to say that I'm really enjoying driving the car... feels good. Performance is good with lots of quality of life additions. If your number one goal is performance, you probably shouldn't get the 2.0T either... tons of cars are quicker than that one now.

FWIW. Cue rage responses...

I have a 2015 Accord LX in addition to a 2024 Touring. When I bought the 2015 all I wanted was a relatively cheap but reliable car. In 9 years, the only thing that has gone wrong is a chirping serpentine belt caused by a failing belt tensioner. Even though it is the bargain basement LX trim level, it "feels" like the people that designed it and put it together actually cared about how it drives - it goes, stops, and turns well. When you sit in the drivers seat, everything is logically placed and intuitive. That's why I bought another Honda. I have a feeling that most people buy them for similar reasons, not because it can be had in rocketship form.

It will be interesting to see if Honda sticks with the Hybrid only upper trim levels or if they make the base engine more widely available. Given how much more expensive everything is, I am wondering if price conscious buyers will just skip the upper trims altogether.

 

[TheOriginalTwoTone]

When you just want to get from zero to highway speed as fast as possible is when you may miss the more powerful engine (just over 6 seconds), but for day-to-day city driving it's lots of fun. The fun is ruined a little bit for me by the fact that for some reason I now care what the fuel economy trip number is D), and driving it in sport mode knocks it down a bit.

Where do you live? Everywhere I've ever traveled has on ramps, even overseas. It'd be interesting to know where you need to get from zero to highway speeds.

 

[Honda2014]

I think the 2.0T faithful are a very loud minority. I get their frustration, I've owned some "fast" cars (Mustang Cobra, Subaru WRX STi) and they are undeniably fun. However, the fact is, the 2.0T didn't sell well enough for Honda to keep it. If it had, it would still be available. Much like a manual transmission. The car magazine writers and forum warriors love the hot rod versions of every car, but then they don't actually buy them in sufficient number to entice the manufacturer to keep producing them.

Well, I’m not just a 2.0T faithful. I’m a Honda fan in general, more specifically, an Accord fan through and through lol
But yes, as an owner of the 2.0t, we’re definitely in the minority by number of units sold. As far as reasons for the 2.0t’s removal from the lineup, I’m not 100% convinced it’s just due to poor sales. If we’re going by the 15% number and 200-300k plus annual sales, that’s 30k units+ every year for 5 years. The prior V6 sold in similar numbers still lived on for years. It’s more likely a combination of low sales and imminent EPA regulations pushing for more efficient cars from automakers.

Now people complain when a family sedan can't outrun a Camaro SS. Fun times.

Again. To me, it’s not just the acceleration. It’s the way the car drives. It’s just a different feel with the 10AT. Decent acceleration is just icing on the cake. I personally don’t care if I can outrun a Camaro SS or not.

It will be interesting to see if Honda sticks with the Hybrid only upper trim levels or if they make the base engine more widely available. Given how much more expensive everything is, I am wondering if price conscious buyers will just skip the upper trims altogether.

My guess is that the 1.5t will be the next to go. HAH will be the only powertrain left before full electrification at this rate by 12th Gen. Personally I hope to see a higher output, more efficient version - Accord PHEV soon, but that may not happen at all during 11G.

 

[14v6]

I had a V6 Accord that I loved but an AWD SUV was always the answer for me. Always wanted an RDX V6 but didn't want to pay for all the Acura stuff that came with it. Never had a 2.0t but I've stumbled onto RAV4 Hybrids. I thought the regular hybrid was 75% of the V6 but better MPG's plus AWD plus the utility plus not having to check the weather forecast. Win/win for my use. It was quicker in town because torque converted automatics ultimately slow a car down in those situations. But then I got a Prime which is the best of all worlds. Never had a car that when on the highway, you give gas and it takes off like that.

It's an evolutionary time now and the added electrification to an ICE engine makes for some interesting choices. There are MPG hybrids and performance/power hybrids (the Toyota 2.4t plus hybrid) and plug in hybrid which gives you both.

 

[Samuelx]

I think the 2.0T faithful are a very loud minority.

Funny. That's exactly the vibe I get from you and many(?) of the other 11th gen owners here on DA... 🤷

 

[TheOriginalTwoTone]

Too bad carb killed passenger car diesels. Diesel electric like locomotives could have gotten insane milage.

 

[jal142]

Funny. That's exactly the vibe I get from you and many(?) of the other 11th gen owners here on DA... 🤷

The number of times I have looked at or replied to the 10th generation forum is zero. This is also the amount I care about the opinions of 10th generation owners.

No offense to anyone.

 

[Samuelx]

::click::

 

[jal142]

Too bad carb killed passenger car diesels. Diesel electric like locomotives could have gotten insane milage.

The problem with a diesel electric passenger car is cost. Diesel engines typically cost more to make due to higher compression ratios and the need for a very high pressure fuel injection system. Then you have to add the electrical equipment which is even more money. You end up with a drivetrain that is expensive and not that much more efficient.

 

[TheOriginalTwoTone]

The problem with a diesel electric passenger car is cost. Diesel engines typically cost more to make due to higher compression ratios and the need for a very high pressure fuel injection system. Then you have to add the electrical equipment which is even more money. You end up with a drivetrain that is expensive and not that much more efficient.

When VW was making diesels there wasn't a large increase in price ~ %$200-$500, huge price differences are typically found in trucks where you need a bigger more power engine for hauling.
A small diesel acting as a generator would be perfect. Our 2005 Jetta TDI was hitting high 50s long before and gas engines came close. Emissions standards is what killed it.

 

[Honda2014]

I had a V6 Accord that I loved but an AWD SUV was always the answer for me. Always wanted an RDX V6 but didn't want to pay for all the Acura stuff that came with it. Never had a 2.0t but I've stumbled onto RAV4 Hybrids. I thought the regular hybrid was 75% of the V6 but better MPG's plus AWD plus the utility plus not having to check the weather forecast. Win/win for my use. It was quicker in town because torque converted automatics ultimately slow a car down in those situations. But then I got a Prime which is the best of all worlds. Never had a car that when on the highway, you give gas and it takes off like that.

It's an evolutionary time now and the added electrification to an ICE engine makes for some interesting choices. There are MPG hybrids and performance/power hybrids (the Toyota 2.4t plus hybrid) and plug in hybrid which gives you both.

Yeah, I wish Honda would make a PHEV Accord like RAV4 Prime. But even that seems unlikely for this gen. Pretty sad tbh.

 

[Honda2014]

Funny. That's exactly the vibe I get from you and many(?) of the other 11th gen owners here on DA... 🤷

yep. I concur. It’s just another Accord lol. Granted, it is indeed the newest version. Why do some folks get their feelings hurt so easily lol 😂