[es136]

excerpts from an article in one of the local news sites.

Eddie

***********************
So you're looking for a new car and you're wondering about the one thing we all do - price.

That's one factor that comes into play when a buyer enters a showroom. But here's another. Cars are complicated machines and can often break down. So reliability is also a huge factor.

If that's your yardstick, then you'll want to buy either a Mazda or a Honda.

A British company called Warranty Direct looked at the repair records of 450,000 cars in the U.K. and the U.S. from 33 different manufacturers and concluded that the two Japanese giants came in first and second when it comes to fewest mechanical failures.

Only eight percent of Mazdas that were three to nine years old had to be called back to the shop for major overhauls. Hondas had a similar record, at nine percent.

Foreign cars made up the bulk of the list, with Toyota, Mitsubishi and even Kia all ranking in the top five.

What does that mean for the North American models? More headaches and more visits to the garage.

The first domestic make to show up on the list is Ford - and it places 14th. Chrysler ranked only 26th.

Another American classic is at the bottom of the list when it comes to reliability as the vehicle ages. Jeeps were 46 percent more likely to need parts when they'd been in an owner's hands for a number of years.

The news is another sign of why foreign cars continue to outsell those manufactured here. And it's showing in the bottom lines.

On Thursday, Ford announced it had lost nearly $13 billion in 2006 - the biggest annual slump since the company was founded 103 years ago.

The cars least likely to develop mechanical faults after three-nine years of ownership:

1. Mazda: 8.04%
2. Honda: 8.90%
3. Toyota: 15.78%
4. Mitsubishi: 17.04%
5. Kia: 17.39%
6. Subaru: 18.46%
7. Nissan: 18.86%
8. Lexus: 20.05%
9. Mini: 21.90%
10. Citroen: 25.98%

11. Daewoo: 26.30%
12. Hyundai: 26.36%
13. Peugeot: 26.59%
14. Ford: 26.76%
15. Suzuki: 27.20%
16. Porsche: 27.48%
17. Fiat: 28.49%
18. BMW: 28.64%
19. Vauxhall: 28.77%
20. Mercedes: 29.90%

21. Rover: 30.12%
22. Volvo: 31.28%
23. Volkswagen: 31.44%
24. Jaguar: 32.05%
25. Skoda: 32.12%
26. Chrysler: 34.90%
27. Audi: 36.74%
28. Seat: 36.87%
29. Renault: 36.87%

30. Alfa Romeo: 39.13%
31. Saab: 41.59%
32. Land Rover: 44.21%
33. Jeep: 46.36%

 

[mwmcginn]

No acura?

 

[dohcivtec]

no infinity also

 

[honda761]

I fully intend to test those marks. I hope to get at least 300k out of my car.

 

[EX-L_KABONG]

Also no GM models (U.S.), and no Mercury or Lincoln. Wonder why?

 

[VTECaddict]

Also no GM models (U.S.), and no Mercury or Lincoln. Wonder why?

too far down the list! :lmao:

 

[stevencrosbie]

Look how far Kia is up there! Nice stuff!

 

[BenjiBoy650]

A nice list but with a major flaw being that the average mileage of these cars is not shown. I'm willing to bet you that the average miles on some cars are higher than on others...haven't seen any 300K miles Kias :dunno: Another thing to consider, who were these owners? 46% of Jeeps needed parts replaced, okay but did they go off roading? Trailer towing? And what type of parts are these? Are we talking about engine blocks, or engine mounts?

I never really put too much weight into these studies. All you need to do is go drives a few high mileage cars, and look on AutoTrader to see how many of them are out there, and it will give you a good indication. Nobody puts 300K on a car that breaks down every 5000 miles.

 

[Fredsvt]

Ok
I'm going to re-arrange the list based on what I see at work. This is for us models only, however
see what you think

1. Toyota
2. Acura
3. Honda
4. Lexus
5. Infiniti
6. Nissan
7. Mazda
8. saturn
9. Subaru
10. GM trucks, includes chev, gmc, hummer
11. GM car, chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick
12. Hyundai
13. Mitsubishi
14. Ford truck, 6.0 diesel pulls this one WAY down
15. Ford car, old taurus and contour kill this one
16. Volvo
17. Mini (part bmw, part chrysler)
18. Chrysler
19. dodge truck
20. Dodge car
21. Cadillac, northstar engine problems kill this one
22. saab
23. Jeep
24. Benz
25. VW
26. Audi
27. BMW
28. Kia
29. Land Rover
30. Daewoo

There's very little difference in the reliability of Honda products vs Toyota, the much known gen 6 trans failures do make a bit of a difference.

There's one thing that both Honda and Toyota do that no other makers do. They will stand behind their products much better. If you're a few over on mileage for warranty, they do a lot more goodwill repairs than other makes.

Most high mileage cars that are seen on used car ads, etc. are ones that have seen high speed highway miles in a very short period of time.

Ford will do anything to get out of warranty work, as their financial situation sucks and the 6.0 diesel has poisoned that very much.

I put chrysler up a bit more than I would have liked, but the new 300 class cars seem to be ok SO FAR. Their minivans since about 2000 have been much improved.

Jeep ends up way low on every list, whether used highway or not.
Constant axle failures, engine failures, electrical failures, ball joint failures, transmission failures. This list could go on. Most, if not all jeeps have noisy or blown up axles by 70k.
We had many customers who OWNED them, only to end up dumping them when both axles lose bearings and gears, the transfer cases blow up and the whole host of other mechanical failures present themselves.

all the german makes are way down, as they all end up falling apart by 80 to 100k, and it costs SO much to repair them. Mercedes mid ninety biodegradable wiring harnesses come to mind, they degrade while still in use.

Most if not all VW/Audis will break the timing belt long before they should. It wouldn't be hard to say that the belts on those cars should be changed at 40k intervals. this is for the 1.8 and 2.0 turbo 4s. the 6 cylinder belt motors maybe a little more.

 

[BenjiBoy650]

Most high mileage cars that are seen on used car ads, etc. are ones that have seen high speed highway miles in a very short period of time.

That was a given...either way, seeing a lot of high mileage models is a good thing. It still means its a reliable car...which is more than you could say for some makes

 

[dohcivtec]

Ok
I'm going to re-arrange the list based on what I see at work. This is for us models only, however
see what you think

1. Toyota
2. Acura
3. Honda
4. Lexus
5. Infiniti
6. Nissan
7. Mazda
8. saturn
9. Subaru
10. GM trucks, includes chev, gmc, hummer
11. GM car, chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick
12. Hyundai
13. Mitsubishi
14. Ford truck, 6.0 diesel pulls this one WAY down
15. Ford car, old taurus and contour kill this one
16. Volvo
17. Mini (part bmw, part chrysler)
18. Chrysler
19. dodge truck
20. Dodge car
21. Cadillac, northstar engine problems kill this one
22. saab
23. Jeep
24. Benz
25. VW
26. Audi
27. BMW
28. Kia
29. Land Rover
30. Daewoo

There's very little difference in the reliability of Honda products vs Toyota, the much known gen 6 trans failures do make a bit of a difference.

There's one thing that both Honda and Toyota do that no other makers do. They will stand behind their products much better. If you're a few over on mileage for warranty, they do a lot more goodwill repairs than other makes.

Most high mileage cars that are seen on used car ads, etc. are ones that have seen high speed highway miles in a very short period of time.

Ford will do anything to get out of warranty work, as their financial situation sucks and the 6.0 diesel has poisoned that very much.

I put chrysler up a bit more than I would have liked, but the new 300 class cars seem to be ok SO FAR. Their minivans since about 2000 have been much improved.

Jeep ends up way low on every list, whether used highway or not.
Constant axle failures, engine failures, electrical failures, ball joint failures, transmission failures. This list could go on. Most, if not all jeeps have noisy or blown up axles by 70k.
We had many customers who OWNED them, only to end up dumping them when both axles lose bearings and gears, the transfer cases blow up and the whole host of other mechanical failures present themselves.

all the german makes are way down, as they all end up falling apart by 80 to 100k, and it costs SO much to repair them. Mercedes mid ninety biodegradable wiring harnesses come to mind, they degrade while still in use.

Most if not all VW/Audis will break the timing belt long before they should. It wouldn't be hard to say that the belts on those cars should be changed at 40k intervals. this is for the 1.8 and 2.0 turbo 4s. the 6 cylinder belt motors maybe a little more.

DAEWOOO DANCEEEE! :banana: :banana: hahaha. I'm hoping some people understand where this came from. It's from mad tv when Bobby Lee did a parody of it.

 

[SCABADA]

excerpts from an article in one of the local news sites.

Eddie

***********************
So you're looking for a new car and you're wondering about the one thing we all do - price.

That's one factor that comes into play when a buyer enters a showroom. But here's another. Cars are complicated machines and can often break down. So reliability is also a huge factor.

If that's your yardstick, then you'll want to buy either a Mazda or a Honda.

A British company called Warranty Direct looked at the repair records of 450,000 cars in the U.K. and the U.S. from 33 different manufacturers and concluded that the two Japanese giants came in first and second when it comes to fewest mechanical failures.

Only eight percent of Mazdas that were three to nine years old had to be called back to the shop for major overhauls. Hondas had a similar record, at nine percent.

Foreign cars made up the bulk of the list, with Toyota, Mitsubishi and even Kia all ranking in the top five.

What does that mean for the North American models? More headaches and more visits to the garage.

The first domestic make to show up on the list is Ford - and it places 14th. Chrysler ranked only 26th.

Another American classic is at the bottom of the list when it comes to reliability as the vehicle ages. Jeeps were 46 percent more likely to need parts when they'd been in an owner's hands for a number of years.

The news is another sign of why foreign cars continue to outsell those manufactured here. And it's showing in the bottom lines.

On Thursday, Ford announced it had lost nearly $13 billion in 2006 - the biggest annual slump since the company was founded 103 years ago.

The cars least likely to develop mechanical faults after three-nine years of ownership:

1. Mazda: 8.04%
2. Honda: 8.90%
3. Toyota: 15.78%
4. Mitsubishi: 17.04%
5. Kia: 17.39%
6. Subaru: 18.46%
7. Nissan: 18.86%
8. Lexus: 20.05%
9. Mini: 21.90%
10. Citroen: 25.98%

11. Daewoo: 26.30%
12. Hyundai: 26.36%
13. Peugeot: 26.59%
14. Ford: 26.76%
15. Suzuki: 27.20%
16. Porsche: 27.48%
17. Fiat: 28.49%
18. BMW: 28.64%
19. Vauxhall: 28.77%
20. Mercedes: 29.90%

21. Rover: 30.12%
22. Volvo: 31.28%
23. Volkswagen: 31.44%
24. Jaguar: 32.05%
25. Skoda: 32.12%
26. Chrysler: 34.90%
27. Audi: 36.74%
28. Seat: 36.87%
29. Renault: 36.87%

30. Alfa Romeo: 39.13%
31. Saab: 41.59%
32. Land Rover: 44.21%
33. Jeep: 46.36%

Go Mazda. Sometimes I miss that 3 it was lots of fun to drive. Like my Honda's FE for a bigger car I go farther ...