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I'm shopping for a 2018 Accord Touring. I put 30,000 miles on my car per year through Houston traffic. I want the car to last at least 200,000 miles without any serious repair costs.

I'd like the hybrid, but I'm worried about how long the battery will last in the Houston climate.

The 1.5T gets good gas mileage, but I'm worried about how long the little turbo engine with CVT will last.

Perhaps the 2.0T will be the most reliable choice over 200,000 miles?

Which engine choice will last the longest?
 
The only thing reliable is death, taxes, and Charles Bronson movies ending with the bad guy dying a horrible death. Why not just lease a car or use Uber?
 
I'm shopping for a 2018 Accord Touring. I put 30,000 miles on my car per year through Houston traffic. I want the car to last at least 200,000 miles without any serious repair costs.

I'd like the hybrid, but I'm worried about how long the battery will last in the Houston climate.

The 1.5T gets good gas mileage, but I'm worried about how long the little turbo engine with CVT will last.

Perhaps the 2.0T will be the most reliable choice over 200,000 miles?

Which engine choice will last the longest?
Unknown. This whole new redesign is way to early to tell and will take a few years. IF I had to guess with the 1.5/2.0. You will be replacing the turbo way before 200k. I would go out on a limb and say even before 100k. CVT AND Turbo would make me nervous repair wise. I would go with the 2.0 if I had a choice.
 
Honestly, if reliability is a primary concern, why not get a low mileage ninth gen with a naturally aspirated motor. The designs are tried and true for both the I4 and the V6. Eventually, the DI motors regardless of whether or not they are turbo are going to need some sort of valve cleaning to blast off the coking that will occur because of the lack of gas flowing over the backs of the valves. Blowby has been a concern on some DI motors as well although its probably too soon to say with the current crop.
 
Honda is in the business of making reliable vehicles. With that said, I suppose it would also depend on what kind of owner you are. Are you the type of owner that is meticulous with maintenance, puts quality fuel in the gas tank, purchases quality oil and does routine maintenance when needed? Too many variables go into “engine reliability.”

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Honda is in the business of making reliable vehicles. With that said, I suppose it would also depend on what kind of owner you are. Are you the type of owner that is meticulous with maintenance, puts quality fuel in the gas tank, purchases quality oil and does routine maintenance when needed? Too many variables go into “engine reliability.”

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I spoke with a local Honda service adviser yesterday. He advised me to avoid the hybrid since I want the car to last 200,000 miles. He said the battery would potentially need to be replaced. He said the 1.5 and 2.0 would have equal chances of reaching 100,000 miles without major repairs. I've been using that dealership since 2003, so they know me.

Out of 49 Tourings on the lot, they only had 8 2.0Ts. Other major dealers in the Houston area have similar ratios. That implies to me that Honda has 6 times the experience in making the 1.5T more reliable than the 2.0T.

They gave me a reasonable quote for a 1.5T, but not so much for a 2.0T. I told them my desired prices were $28,500 for the 1.5T & $31,000 for the 2.0T.
• 1.5T Touring: $29,499 ($5,196 off of MSRP)
• 2.0T Touring: $33,734 ($2,961 off of MSRP)

A little bit about my experience with Accord ownership:
I'm replacing a 2007 Accord SE (4 cylinder) that has 128,000 miles. I'm meticulous with maintenance. I use only synthetic oil and top tier gas.

The only problems my 2007 has is the ceiling fabric fell down (currently tacked up with upholstery screws)
I usually perform my own maintenance (brake pads, fluid exchanges, filters) and simple repairs (replace sensors, brake caliper, rotors).
 
I spoke with a local Honda service adviser yesterday. He advised me to avoid the hybrid since I want the car to last 200,000 miles.
This service advisor sounds like an idiot.

I've been using that dealership since 2003, so they know me.
They know how to steer you to more profitable products they have to move now.

Out of 49 Tourings on the lot, they only had 8 2.0Ts. Other major dealers in the Houston area have similar ratios. That implies to me that Honda has 6 times the experience in making the 1.5T more reliable than the 2.0T.
Based on your math and extrapolation logic, one could also state that Honda realizes that the 2.0 is unreliable, and is phasing them out for the 2019 model year. Or, that Honda buyers in Houston are frugal, and shy from buying the 2.0 because of the more expensive purchase and operating costs.
 
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Smelling a whiff of gas when sniffing the oil dipstick is hardly an issue. Nobody has crashed and died. Nobody’s car has blown up. Not a reported single injury.

In the US, the “class action lawsuit” has three plaintiffs — out of a million plus owners. What are their damages? They were inconvenienced because a check engine light came on? Resale value is way better than most cars. 99.9% of owners are unaffected. No issue.
 
Smelling a whiff of gas when sniffing the oil dipstick is hardly an issue. Nobody has crashed and died. Nobody’s car has blown up. Not a reported single injury.
It's not an issue until someone crashes, is injured, dies, or car blows up?

:rolleyes:


If Honda is doing a recall, it's an issue.
 
As for the hybrid, the engine & hybrid tech has a few years on it. The engine is unchanged and is used for fewer than full miles, which earns something over 200k miles. The battery tech is lithium ion but the battery is smaller in size, not power, than previous version. As battery tech advances, prices would be expected to fall. I've read of problems with aftermarket batteries for hybrids that would lead you to want to replace with OEM. However, who knows for this tech generation. Heat is an issue, though this seems to be a problem for most lith-ions when fully charged in hot conditions. I don't use Sport mode very often but those are the only times I've encountered a full charged reading that was anything but momentary. The other modes are very focused on using the energy so you can recharge and use again. Is it safe to assume that safety tech was built in? I sure believe that it should and the tech has been around. Obviously I bet on it.

There is a 100 month battery warranty (no mileage limitation) that is full through 3 years and then goes from 60% down to 5% of the future price of replacement/labor covered, so this doesn't help for a problem down the road so much.

In the end, I think the engine in any Accord will do fine. It's Honda's reason to exist. I wouldn't rule out the hybrid unless the vast majority of your travel is over 70mph.
 
If reliability is related to potential repairs costs, how about this idea….1.5T-6MT. Think about it. The 6MT is rock solid and far more reliable than any CVT or 10AT. Even if you are not into shifting gears, if you drive 30,000 miles per year most of that must be on the highway, which implies almost no shifting.

If you drive mostly highway, neither the 1.5T nor 2.0T will be taxed. Both will be on low boost the vast majority of time. But the 1.5T will probably average 40 mpg if the 2.0 averages 35 mpg. If the 1.5 saves you over 100 gallons of fuel per year at $2.90/gallon, that’s $290/year. Over 7 years that’s over $2,000 saved. That will cover a pretty serious car repair. Not a bad hedge.
 
It's not an issue until someone crashes, is injured, dies, or car blows up?

:rolleyes:


If Honda is doing a recall, it's an issue.
In China, there was a recall (customer notification) and the fuel injection software was updated. Issue is considered fully resolved. No injuries, no deaths, no damages.

In the US, a few people smell a whiff of gas when they inhale the oil dipstick. What are the most damages a customer has incurred as a result? A few customers may have been inconvenienced by a check engine light. Does that mean millions of engines are suddenly unreliable?

If engines start failing, we will hear about it. Hasn’t happened yet.
 
In China, there was a recall (customer notification) and the fuel injection software was updated. Issue is considered fully resolved. No injuries, no deaths, no damages.

In the US, a few people smell a whiff of gas when they inhale the oil dipstick. What are the most damages a customer has incurred as a result? A few customers may have been inconvenienced by a check engine light. Does that mean millions of engines are suddenly unreliable?

If engines start failing, we will hear about it. Hasn’t happened yet.
Who's saying the engines are unreliable? Who's talking about failing engines?

You said there were "no reported issues."

The 1.5T is in millions of Civics, CRVs, and Accords. No reported issues.
I pointed out that there have been.

Funny how you said there were "no reported issues" yet above you said "Issue is considered fully resolved."

Either there have been no issues or there have been. Which is it?


And people have reported a fuel smell even when they were not sniffing the oil dipstick.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda...CR-V/2018/engine/fuel_in_oil_with_overfilled_oil_level_gas_smell_in_cabin.shtml

#1 - Feb 28, 2018

CR-V EX / Automatic transmission / 4,272 miles

Here we are, part two. First oil change at 3953 miles on 2/19. First I should say, I live in a rural area. I do not drive frequent, short distances.

On 2/25 I drove 50+ miles one way to do shopping. Got to the first store, just fine. Went to the next store, smelt faint fumes. Third store, overtook the cabin, it was horrible. Went to visit family, out to eat, then traveled 50 miles back home. The long drive made the strong smell go away. Got home, left the car running long enough to bring groceries in, brought the car into the garage, promptly shut it off. Shut the garage door. About 15 minutes later came out to put groceries in the deep freezer and the garage REEKED of fuel. I put the car outside.

Members here even reported about a fuel smell coming through the AC vents

Fuel odor from A/C vents

Since I bought my Accord about four months ago, I've left the HVAC on auto. Because of the high ambient temperatures, it usually chooses recirculated air.

The last few days, I have manually selected fresh air for various reasons (driver wearing too much cologne, "to-go" boxes containing food placed in the trunk, passengers eating too many beans, etc.). I recently began noticing the smell of gasoline from the A/C vents when restarting the car after it's been sitting for a few minutes.
I have the 2.0 Sport model 10AT with 1500 miles and last week I noticed the same smell when I was driving on the highway. I was traveling at around 65mph and decided to gain some speed and then noticed the strong smell of gas.

But hey, no one crashed, got injured or died, and no car blew up. So there's "no issue," right?

:rolleyes:
 
Technically the hybrid system (including the engine) is lifted from the 9th gen Accord, so it's a bit more tested and exempt from these specific oil dilution recalls.

As for the battery, I believe it is covered past the normal warranty, something like 120k miles (or so the finance person said). I haven't looked for that specific warranty in the literature, but if you're purchasing I'd ask about it.
 
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