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I think everyone has said it by this point, but yeah, Accord Coupe just doesn't count as a muscle.

Fun fact: Soichiro Honda(founder of Honda) actually first wanted to make the Accord compete with Mustangs and the likes, but the oil crisis made Honda abandon this idea and make Accords bigger Civics. I see the V6 Accord Coupe as partially completing Soichiro Honda's wish, as it does put up a fight against V6 muscles.

Another point worth bringing up is the differential. Muscles/pony cars(and most RWD sports cars nowadays) all have LSD(no, not the drug, limited slip differential) while I am fairly certain Accords still have open differentials(don't ask how I know - it's not from the Internet).

Muscle cars have V8 engines. My stock V6 Camaro is not a muscle car. I get hate from OTHER CAMARO OWNERS for having a V6. I get called other expletives when they find out I also have a Honda.

I wonder what would happen if someone showed up to a muscle car-oriented cruise-in, driving a brand new unmodified Accord, and parked between a Yenko Camaro and a Boss Mustang.
I still call V6 muscle cars muscle cars. Maybe just add quotation marks Dr. Evil style, but still muscle cars.

And at least it still has more cylinders than an Ecoboost Mustang. I really can't keep a straight face when I say an Ecoboost Mustang is a "muscle" car.

As for people laughing at Honda because they think older muscles is everything...
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You can't deny these are muscle cars. lol.
YES! Dodge Challengers! Really want one just to piss off all the Mustangs(aka rich people's Civic) around here.

Gotta love those. They keep the classic style very well.

They also have usable back seats from what I heard, so actually kinda practical as well.
 
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I always said that if this car didn't say Honda on it, It wouldn't get half the skepticism or hate. Oh well, I like mine. I like to support North American labor when possible.
When the modern GTO (2004-2006) arrived some of the old guard HATED IT. "It doesn't LOOK like a GTO!", "It's not made in the USA!" and on and on. What they failed to mention is that they are absolutely incredible cars. More well made than most cars, great performance out of the box, responsive to modifications and incredibly pleasant and fun to drive. Many of the true believers said the car would have been much more strongly embraced had it not had the GTO badge on it. They very likely were right. But believe me, the modern GTO earned the right to and is more than qualified to wear the GTO badge and to carry on the heritage. The G8 was another fantastic Aussie/US marriage as was the Chevy SS.
 
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When the modern GTO (2004-2006) arrived some of the old guard HATED IT. "It doesn't LOOK like a GTO!", "It's not made in the USA!" and on and on. What they failed to mention is that they are absolutely incredible cars. More well made than most cars, great performance out of the box, responsive to modifications and incredibly pleasant and fun to drive. Many of the true believers said the car would have been much more strongly embraced had it not had the GTO badge on it. They very likely were right. But believe me, the modern GTO earned the right to and is more than qualified to wear the GTO badge and to carry on the heritage. The G8 was another fantastic Aussie/US marriage as was the Chevy SS.
Totally agree. And this is going to sound so lame, but sometimes, I close my eyes and pretend that I'm in a white GTO instead of my 6-6. Once I get that borla axleback, I think it'll really scratch that itch ahha :grin

In fact, I cross shopped my 6-6 with a G8 GT in white hot. But it was overpriced and high kms. No warranty, no thank you.

I would love to ask you how you feel the 6-6 stacks up to a 2004-2006 GTO (you own one I think..) Any commonality? On paper, the numbers are similar stock for stock. Both are IRS and similar proportions. We don't get that big hit of torque or those splendid seats or that V8 roar. But humor me :devil If I didn't live in Canada where it snows in April, I'd be on LS1tech still.
 
I still call V6 muscle cars muscle cars. Maybe just add quotation marks Dr. Evil style, but still muscle cars.
Well, my old Harlock appreciates the compliment then ;)
 

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My only beef with V6 muscle car owners is the ones who overcompensate by straight piping them or acting like they are really fast.

That is unless of course, they do supercharge/turbo them or even crazier yet, do a hardcore all motor V6 build. I give those guys a lot of credit.
 
My only beef with V6 muscle car owners is the ones who overcompensate by straight piping them or acting like they are really fast.

That is unless of course, they do supercharge/turbo them or even crazier yet, do a hardcore all motor V6 build. I give those guys a lot of credit.
My Camaro has a very mod-able 3800-II V6 :devil But right now he's just stock and slow. 205 HP if the internet can be believed; never had it on a dyno. I'm actually trying to figure out how to get a better exhaust onto it without having to keep that awful, gigantic muffler that sticks out the back of the fake dual exhaust and also not make it sound like a jet engine.
 
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Totally agree. And this is going to sound so lame, but sometimes, I close my eyes and pretend that I'm in a white GTO instead of my 6-6. Once I get that borla axleback, I think it'll really scratch that itch ahha :grin

In fact, I cross shopped my 6-6 with a G8 GT in white hot. But it was overpriced and high kms. No warranty, no thank you.

I would love to ask you how you feel the 6-6 stacks up to a 2004-2006 GTO (you own one I think..) Any commonality? On paper, the numbers are similar stock for stock. Both are IRS and similar proportions. We don't get that big hit of torque or those splendid seats or that V8 roar. But humor me :devil If I didn't live in Canada where it snows in April, I'd be on LS1tech still.
For pure driving pleasure, the GTO wins. I have both cars modified in the suspension area and drive fairly similarly in everyday driving needs and truth be told my Coupe has just a touch more grip than the GTO (the GTOs are H-E-A-V-Y and tire size limited) but the GTO wins out on overall feel and raw power when you need/want it. And, not trying to start yet another useless debate, but RWD is just better for a performance platform than FWD all other things being equal. I've done modest engine and tune mods to the GTO which I've not yet done to the Coupe. Both 6-speeds are delicious but very different. The Tremec is much more "manly" and requires a firmer hand while the Honda transmission is butter smooth and works beautifully with even a light touch.

I could daily drive either one and be absolutely happy, but the GTO is more "special" if you get what I mean. Years ago my daily was an 85 MR2 and while I then also had true musclecars in my bullpen, that MR2 was crazy different but an amazing car to drive. I can adapt quickly and can find joy in most wheeled conveyances. (Good golly that 4A-GE engine was a gem.)

I have various videos of both on my Youtube account, just do a search for user richnat. I've autocrossed both, and the Coupe made me look better than the GTO did in the respective classes I fell into. (Did I mention the GTO is HEAVY and undertired?) The GTO demands a little more of the driver to get the most out of it, the Coupe is so easy to drive and drive well that just a little common sense takes you a long way.

You do have to keep in mind that I'm older and grew up on RWD and greatly prefer it if I have a choice but that's not to say FWD done well can't be great too, and the Coupe proves that.

I can say this: when I was looking for a new car in 2015 I wanted modestly practical (not too large, not too expensive) but yet fun and sporty. I was looking at GTIs, Civic Sis, WRXs and the like. I wasn't really finding one that stood out against the others, nothing that made me yearn for it. A GTO buddy suggested a 6-6 Accord and I thought he was nuts but I had time for another test drive so I test drove one. All they had at the time was a V6-auto and I HATED the automatic but could tell full well that the engine was a gem. I ordered my 6-6 and when I got my first chance to drive a 6-6 I knew I had found my car. What a sweet car it is and it improved at least 2 fold with serious tires, a Progress rear sway bar and HFP suspension. It still makes me grin. But the GTO by comparison gives me a SE grin if you get my drift.
 
On the topic of muscle cars, I recall seeing this monster.

Electric Mustang

Crap on it all you want, it will smoke almost anything out there.

Seriously, though, I don't like how quiet electric motors are. I really like the moderately loud V8, V10 or rotary.
 
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^ I have no interest in electric motors. As neat and efficient as they are, they don't make noise so I don't care. They are great for other people though. As long as we can still buy gas!
One of my friends like quiet cars, so Tesla is his cup of tea. He is not a car person, though.

Electric cars will require some artificial noise in the future due to pedestrian safety. I also heard that since the motor is so quiet, the road noise becomes more noticeable and annoying.

I personally have no problem with electric cars and am willing to own one if the infrastructure gets put in place. Until then, I think I will just drive manual transmission while they last.
 
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I guess there is a difference between a muscle car and a muscular car - nomenclature.

To me a muscle car is about torque and personality. To me a 1969 Boss 302 Mustang is a pony car but the Boss 429 is a muscle car. The 302 may be fast but just doesn't have that dirty attitude.

The 6-6 is closer to the Boss 302. It's like a nerdy straight-A student who plays classical piano and also has a black belt in Muay Thai and Jiu Jitzu. He'll do just fine in a fight but it won't be the same as an oversized, street fighting bully. A muscle car needs a bad-ass attitude and that comes from smokin' the rear wheels with gobs of low end torque.
 
To me a muscle car is about torque and personality.
Well said. I've never been to States so my opinion may be influenced by stereotypes, nevertheless, the whole idea of a muscle car seems fairly simple and, despite the contemporary triumph of form over content, it boils down to a big V8 engine, torque and burnt tires. To me, a muscle car should not be too sophisticated and its simplicity makes up its driver. If you have to prevent your rear axle from overtaking the hood and struggle to make your ride turn, it means you're driving a muscle car. Even you can, you don't have to do it with an Accord, so it's not a muscle car and it will never be. Still, if we don't insist on RWD as a prerequisite, it can make a GT. If Honda invested in better materials. But then it wouldn't cost 34K, would it? I think some people could live with it. I like it as it is because I can almost afford it. When I finally get it...
BTW, Mustangs are becoming popular in Poland, while Accord coupes are scarce, not to mention 9th gen. That suits me:devil.
 
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I guess there is a difference between a muscle car and a muscular car - nomenclature.

To me a muscle car is about torque and personality. To me a 1969 Boss 302 Mustang is a pony car but the Boss 429 is a muscle car. The 302 may be fast but just doesn't have that dirty attitude.

The 6-6 is closer to the Boss 302. It's like a nerdy straight-A student who plays classical piano and also has a black belt in Muay Thai and Jiu Jitzu. He'll do just fine in a fight but it won't be the same as an oversized, street fighting bully. A muscle car needs a bad-ass attitude and that comes from smokin' the rear wheels with gobs of low end torque.
:thmsup::thumbsup:This is what I wanted to say, totally 100% yep.
 
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Well said. I've never been to States so my opinion may be influenced by stereotypes, nevertheless, the whole idea of a muscle car seems fairly simple and, despite the contemporary triumph of form over content, it boils down to a big V8 engine, torque and burnt tires. To me, a muscle car should not be too sophisticated and its simplicity makes up its driver. If you have to prevent your rear axle from overtaking the hood and struggle to make your ride turn, it means you're driving a muscle car. Even you can, you don't have to do it with an Accord, so it's not a muscle car and it will never be. Still, if we don't insist on RWD as a prerequisite, it can make a GT. If Honda invested in better materials. But then it wouldn't cost 34K, would it? I think some people could live with it. I like it as it is because I can almost afford it. When I finally get it...
BTW, Mustangs are becoming popular in Poland, while Accord coupes are scarce, not to mention 9th gen. That suits me:devil.
This too. The Accord doesn't have that "oh sh&t" I'm gonna die if you floor it in the rain factor. That's a muscle car. If you do it wrong, you could die. All my car does is beep at me. Thank god that FCW and lane watch are defeatable.
 
BTW, Mustangs are becoming popular in Poland, while Accord coupes are scarce, not to mention 9th gen. That suits me:devil.
They are everywhere. That's why I call them rich people's Civic.

At least you don't have to worry about crashing into crowds. ?

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First time I laid the hammer down in the LS1 I went sideways because of the jacked up suspension and old tires. "Oh sh&t I'm gonna die" indeed.

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Muscle cars have V8 engines. My stock V6 Camaro is not a muscle car. I get hate from OTHER CAMARO OWNERS for having a V6. I get called other expletives when they find out I also have a Honda.

I wonder what would happen if someone showed up to a muscle car-oriented cruise-in, driving a brand new unmodified Accord, and parked between a Yenko Camaro and a Boss Mustang.
I grew up with those guys.

I don't wonder at all.
 
I think automotive journalists throw the term "muscle car" around a bit too freely. I'll never forget when Patrick Bedard of Car & Driver wrote "The nice little Accord grew up to be a muscle car" as 'The Verdict' in a December 2005 comparison between the Accord V6 AT sedan, Camry, Fusion, and Sonata. Nothing about an automatic V6 family sedan says "muscle car" to me, especially one that runs the quarter-mile in 15.1 seconds at 95 mph like the 7G V6.
 
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